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What Veterans, Servicemembers, and
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HOLLiS |
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skysoldier1305
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Miami FL.
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I got one thing to say "WE WILL PREVAIL"he is a us
paratrooper and we dont leave no one behind. |
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randy10
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Canada
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Arab-American
paratrooper faces deportation after Afghan service
This is simply outrageous.
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Nod
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Very much ashame  |
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Nod |
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Horsewithnoname
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Location: Missouri....I miss Florida
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Wow! Thats very sad. |
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Laworkerbee
To Infinity and Beyond
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I highly doubt this man will be deported, it will
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-DarthMaul-
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It is, I got one of the first Emails to me a week
ago, the Association of Patriotic Arab American in the Military sent out
letters to us subscribed and tried to get everyone invovlved. His chain
of command are also endorsing his service.
Its so unfair how he i sbeing treated this way. That would make other
Arabs be afraid of enlisting. |
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gaijinsamurai
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I've supervised countless Mexicans who are in the
US illegally, on probation or parole for drug-dealing, assault, and
other activities, who the government won't deport.
I wish this man the best. |
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tyovan4
The Guy With the Hat
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Location: Pennsylvania
Age: 20
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Thats what I thought of too gaijin - we deport
immigrants serving in the military, yet we allow illegal alien criminals
to remain here...
Absolutely unbelievable |
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gaijinsamurai
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As my wife is a legal immigrant to the US, I know
all too well that "irregularities" in paperwork are almost inevitable.
There is so much info to provide, and so much conflicting information
provided by different INS sources, that the process is often stacked
against the person who wants to immigrate legally. I did most of the
paperwork for my wife, and I was confused half the time. I know other
Americans, who like me, are married to Japanese women, and are having a
tough time navigating the immigrant visa application process.
It sounds to me like the US Government is making a conscious choice to
play hardass with this guy, irrelevant of the fact that he is a soldier
who has served honorably and simply made a mistake.
If it is because he is Arab/Muslim, that's shameful, and plays right
into the hands of those we are fighting, giving them a great propaganda
victory. Is it worth it?
Last edited by gaijinsamurai : 4 Hours Ago at 05:31
PM. Reason: Spelling, of course. |
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Vinny_121_DDS
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Originally Posted by gaijinsamurai
I've supervised countless Mexicans who are
in the US illegally, on probation or parole for drug-dealing,
assault, and other activities, who the government won't deport.
I wish this man the best. |
That's exactly what I was thinking. |
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goat89
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Location: The Republic of Singapore, but in Canada
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That's exactly what I was thinking. |
I second that. Come on, he's a soldier who fought
for America's war on terror. Should'nt there be some leniency even if
there was some 'irregularities'? Must be some guy looking for some
'show'. JACKA**  |
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Calanen
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I remember an immigration attorney told me that
there were a whole bunch of people who fought in Vietnam for the US that
had irregular paperwork, but that the INS (as it then was) had *never*
ultimately gone through with deporting any of them once they could
establish they were veterans. |
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AKS
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by gaijinsamurai
As my wife is a legal immigrant to the US,
I know all too well that "irregularities" in paperwork are
almost inevitable. There is so much info to provide, and so much
conflicting information provided by different INS sources, that
the process is often stacked against the person who wants to
immigrate legally. I did most of the paperwork for my wife, and
I was confused half the time. I know other Americans, who like
me, are married to Japanese women, and are having a tough time
navigating the immigrant visa application process.
It sounds to me like the US Government is making a conscious
choice to play hardass with this guy, irrelevant of the fact
that he is a soldier who has served honorably and simply made a
mistake.
If it is because he is Arab/Muslim, that's shameful, and plays
right into the hands of those we are fighting, giving them a
great propaganda victory. Is it worth it? |
I can agree US immigration services are horrible at handling immigrant
papers
and this guys being deported? NO WAY
the judge will let him go free
if convicted drug dealers who had prior deportations can come back get
caught and not be deported this guy will win hands down
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HOLLiS
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ecotopia
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I find taking the Guardian seriously a mistake on
these type USA issues. I would say the same if the New York Times
published the article. I am not questioning how stupid Immigration can
be, just the tone of the article.
I wish the guy luck. Personally I think it will work out for him,
regardless as to how the article paints the future. |
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Supporting the Troops
The Guardian:
A highly decorated Arab-American sergeant in the US army,
who is currently serving as a paratrooper in Afghanistan, faces deportation on
his return to the United States because of an irregularity in his immigration
papers.
Sgt Hicham Benkabbou has been served with an order to stand
trial for deportation as soon as he arrives home, despite the fact that he has
been on active service in Afghanistan for almost two years with the 508th
parachute infantry regiment, known as the Red Devils.
Those idiots at ICE, another failed Bush endeavor.
-Diane
7 comments:
Anonymous said...
I'm not seeing how its the Army making a fool of itself.
DHS handles immagration and deportation. This appears to be a case where left
hand and right hand aren't working together.
December 3, 2007 4:22 PM
Danny said...
The people who work in ICE ought to be ashamed of
themselves. While they are trying to penalise the brave Sgt, currently deployed
to Afghanistan, they are allowing contless numbers of Lebanese Shia Hezbollah
fighters enter the USA at Detroit Airport,and settle in the Dearborn area.
Most ICE employees probably cant are totally oblivious to who a=our friends or
enemies are.
In fact, recently met Federal Agent, who didnt know the difference between
Indian people and muslim Arabs!!!
December 3, 2007 5:21 PM
Anonymous said...
I agree with the other anonymous. This is an immigration
court issue, as presented to them by DHS-ICE.
This has nothing to do with the Army. Has the Army filed violations under the
UCMJ for any of these issues? No.
Tell it to the federal magistrate who issued the order.
December 3, 2007 5:38 PM
Mahmud said...
"This has nothing to do with the Army. Has the Army filed
violations under the UCMJ for any of these issues? No.
Tell it to the federal magistrate who issued the order."
While it may be a DHS/ICE issue, the fact that it is being dealt with in the
open means that it is the army that will be hurt the most. Someone should have
dealt with this behind closed doors before it came out into the open, and that
is why the army fucked up. Casting their hands up and saying 'not my fault' may
be technically true, but someone should have made sure that it didn't get this
far, and that it didn't get out to the media. Informal meetings and persuasive
powers can be quite powerful in bureaucracies, even if there isn't a direct
chain of command.
If I was a prospective Muslim recruit for the US military with language skills,
or someone with a green card who wanted to become a citizen, I'd look at this
situation with a great deal of dismay. And that will weaken the US army, both in
how it is perceived and its effectiveness
December 3, 2007 5:58 PM
Abu Muqawama said...
"If I was a prospective Muslim recruit for the US military
with language skills, or someone with a green card who wanted to become a
citizen, I'd look at this situation with a great deal of dismay. And that will
weaken the US army, both in how it is perceived and its effectiveness"
Mahmud is right. This is an Army problem, even if it's a DHS cock-up.
December 3, 2007 6:25 PM
Anonymous said...
It must be dealt with "in the open" because our court
system is, ahem, "in the open." While not all immigration proceedings occur in
open court, decisions, complaints, et al, are recorded documents open to public
scrutiny.
We really don't know the extent of US Army involvement in this matter.
Typically, the US Army is forced to react to these issues because it doesn't
have legal officers sitting in a federal immigration magistrate's office.
Speculating, one might suggest that the Soldier was put on notice that a hearing
was going to take place, the Soldier contacted his S-1 through his chain of
command and they directed a legal response (which is to say, send us the
complaint if its a civil matter).
This was done. The Army can't react to something unless it knows the nature of
the facts alleged to be true by DHS/ICE.
DOJ and DOD apparently have worked out an agreement for such immigration
matters, as illuminated in the article:
"The aggressive prosecution of the case has surprised immigration lawyers who
point to a directive that advises officials against pressing to deport acting
military personnel unless they have been involved in drug trafficking, crimes
against children or violence, or unless they pose a danger to the public."
Now that the nature of the civil complaint has been received by the Army, the
Army (on behalf of SGT Benkabbou) can respond to its merits (which seem,
charitably, to be lacking).
If you want a society in which the US military very quietly suborns the rule of
law by quashing civil complaints against Soldiers before they are served, then
by all means start letting LTCs determine which federal court summons to
acknowledge and which to forget.
December 3, 2007 8:19 PM
Anonymous said...
I think it is screw-up by the DHS/ICE/Immigration Court/Fed
Magistrate's part. Dont y'all think that if they knew thatthe SGT was deployed,
they ough to have moresense to either quash the order on their own, or maybe do
some diggingfor info? Now they look like a bunch of petty, insensitive
bureaucrats persecuting a soldier who serving the USA y beingdeployed. Also that
one agency of the Govt doesnot know what the otheragencies are doing.
Or might be a nasty, left-leaning, military-haning' iCE employees o ut to screw
over the SGT.
December 4, 2007 1:55 PM
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Arab-American paratrooper faces deportation after Afghan service
Guardian Unlimited ^ | December 3, 2007 | Ed Pilkington
Posted on 12/03/2007 5:58:39 PM PST by
tyen
A highly decorated Arab-American sergeant in the US army,
who is currently serving as a paratrooper in Afghanistan, faces deportation on
his return to the United States because of an irregularity in his immigration
papers.
(Excerpt) Read more at
guardian.co.uk ...
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Immigration bureaucrats actively deny local efforts to
enforce flagrant illegal immigration, but go after decorated, vetted paras.
Whoever in immigration who backed pursuing this case needs to not only lose
their cushy Federal government job for such stupidity, but lose their pension
and be permamently barred from government jobs too, unless I'm missing some
critical detail here.
1 posted on 12/03/2007 5:58:41 PM PST by
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December 3rd, 2007 at 13:29:51 |
From: buzz |
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Thats pretty messed up. I don't suppose his being
an Arab- American has anything to do with it, naww. |
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December 3rd, 2007 at 17:23:04 |
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Who's the barbarian now? |
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December 3rd, 2007 at 17:48:32 |
From: Tom3 |
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Chimpy Hates Our Troops |
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After 2 years of combat, they should be GIVING this
guy citizenship, not taking it away. Chimpy and the Repukes HATE OUR
TROOPS. This is worse than when Chimpy welshed on those enlistment
bonuses. |
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